[Lvas] Awards Pin??

Sun Apr 12 15:29:27 PDT 2009

Roger,

I speak about my drawings tongue in cheek. I know what they are, and I'm still happy with them.

I'm also enjoying sharing my notes as nobody has ever cared abotu them but me, until now.

Fred

From: drivester at hotmail.com
To: lvas at lvlug.org
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 02:25:58 +0000
Subject: [Lvas] Awards Pin??

Fred,

Just having a little fun. Since I am not tortured daily at a manufacturing plant I have really lightened up. I am now a real fun guy...

I am certainly enjoying sharing my 5,000 hours of notes, and sketches...finally.  

Fred, do not speak negatively about your sketching. Draw what you see, thats it. I am going to be waiting anxiously until someone sends a report, Subject ... "I found it". 

Maybe we should have a label pin made with the diamond of stars and the words "Virgo Diamond" around it. 

This would be an awards pin...something like the AL Messier. 

Roger

From: rayworth1969 at hotmail.com
To: lvas at lvlug.org
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 21:08:14 -0500
Subject: Re: [Lvas] Losmandy G-11

Roger,

Maybe I can send you a sketch of your sketch! It would be my usual crummy ink pen stuff, but hey, that's what I do!

I'm not really as much worried about finding it as I am the weather. This time of year is notoriously unstable. I will probably have better luck in June when we start going up Lee Canyon and the sky will be dark to the southeast. Just don't want to wait that long.

Would be honored to have one of your sketches!

Fred

From: drivester at hotmail.com
To: lvas at lvlug.org
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 23:14:32 +0000
Subject: Re: [Lvas] Losmandy G-11

Fred,

If you are successful I will send to you a limited edition numbered "Virgo Diamond" sketch. There will be less than 10 if that many. Dennis di Cicco has the number one from the original.

It actually takes me a couple of hours to do one. First I have to cut the cardstock, then paint the Carolina blue matting, then sketch the stars in the proper orientation. It is difficult to get the stars perfectly round with a charcoal pencil. It is even more difficult to replicate the magnitudes of the stars relative to each other.

I could easily do a sketch of the "Virgo Cluster" much easier. You would not think it would be so difficult to draw four stars?

What do I get if you fail...again???

Fred, I'm smiling as i write this. 

Your friend...Roger

From: rayworth1969 at hotmail.com
To: lvas at lvlug.org
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 17:59:14 -0500
Subject: Re: [Lvas] Losmandy G-11

John, Roger, and all,

Despite making several mirrors which include some algebraic formulas, I always thought setting circles were too complicated math-wise. The reality of it is that it isn't near as difficult as I made it out to be. Never ended up with a mount that had them until a few years ago when I inherited a Meade 60mm refractor on an equatorial from my wife's uncle. After 40+ years observing, I'm just so used to finding things manually that I can't see learning how to use circles. Besides, that would involve an equatorial mount, which I don't have for the Dob.

However, I think it's admirable that you two can use them in lieu of a GOTO, which seems to be the in thing, especially with newbies that don't know the sky, or those that just don't want to bother with finding stuff.

On the 25th, weather permitting, I'm going to nail the Virgo Diamond manually, with just my green laser and a star chart. Well... that's the plan!

Fred

From: drivester at hotmail.com
To: lvas at lvlug.org
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 11:51:46 +0000
Subject: [Lvas] Losmandy G-11

John,

I'm sorry that I said GM-11. I am certainly familiar with your Losmandy G-11 mount. 

I was never so happy as when I lived in a very light polluted neighborhood back in the 70's and learned how to use my manual circles on my ES 4-1/4 inch reflector. I thought that I had conquered the world. I would observe within 100 foot of the brightest street light that you have ever seen.

I could still see some of the brighter messier objects. Star hopping was almost impossible.

Roger 

> From: jboron at cox.net
> To: lvas at lvlug.org
> Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 20:22:10 -0700
> Subject: [Lvas] JBoronVirgo Diamond
> 
> Very nice Roger. I tried to view the Virgo diamond Sunday evening but the 
> light polution was too bad. I think we had dust haze which added to the poor 
> visibility.
> 
> I have the manual circles on my G-11 and I,like it a lot. I have thought 
> many times of adding the Losmandy Gemini system but cannot justify the cost 
> in my mind.
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> > Subject: Re: [Lvas] FW: Virgo Diamond Original Sketch
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> > Forgot to send my other pictures....regarding my favorite scope and 
> > setting circles
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> > Roger
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> > From: drivester at hotmail.com
> > To: lvas at lvlug.org
> > Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 00:52:32 +0000
> > Subject: [Lvas] FW: Virgo Diamond Original Sketch
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> > LVAS all,
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> > Just wanted to share my latest sketch. It is hand drawn from my original 
> > sketch which I did in April 1993. I used too much magnification on my 
> > latest sketch which ruined the effect of the "diamond" floating in space.
> >
> > Just like double stars you want to use the minimum magnification required 
> > to separate the primary from the companion. This asterism is basically a 
> > binary star system. All components again are thought to be gravitationally 
> > bound to each other. I sure hope that during the next new moon period we 
> > can get an image or two and several visual observations...with notes.
> >
> > I especially need some "visual" observations through different telescopes.
> >
> > I painted the outer area to better show the telescope FOV without drawing 
> > an amateurish white circle.
> >
> > I used Carolina blue spray paint for the painted matting. I then placed 
> > another can onto the black cardstock that was very close to my telescope 
> > minutes of arc for the magnification used. I then sprayed around my 
> > template or can base.
> >
> > I may try to start using this technique on all of my sketches.
> >
> > I also wanted to send a picture of my favorite telescope that has served 
> > me well for the past 18 years. The short pedestal is perfect for making a 
> > sketch or taking notes when sitting in my astro-chair. Please note the 
> > large Parks Optical Declination circle that I installed. I fabricated a 
> > brass index pointer in my garage during my lunch hour one day. The bigger 
> > the circle the more accurate. No batteries required.
> >
> > During a competition I beat a computerized scope in a showdown of 15 
> > mystery objects in a sealed envelope. I love to star hop but sometimes I 
> > don't have the time. It is unfortunate that so few are willing to use 
> > manual circles. Most Schmidt Cassegrain's have excellent direct indexing 
> > circles. No calculations or math...and they are driven. Another mound with 
> > great manual circles would be any of the Losmandy mounts.
> >
> > If you are unsure of how to use your manual setting circles send me an 
> > e-mail or if there is enough interest we can cover it in the forum.
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> > Best regards, Roger Ivester
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> > From: drivester at hotmail.com
> > To: ddicicco at skyandtelescope.com
> > Subject: Virgo Diamond Original Sketch
> > Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 18:16:46 +0000
> >
> >
> >
> > Dennis,
> >
> > Being a double star observer for many years I realized that I ruined my 
> > latest sketch of the diamond by using too much magnification. I should not 
> > have sketched this object with the moon this past Friday night which 
> > required 266x to see the fainter components.
> >
> > I lost the beautiful effect of the diamond floating in space with the 266x 
> > magnification. Attached is a hand duplicated copy of my original from 
> > 1993. I was using 190x for this sketch.
> >
> > Jim Mullany and I have been good friends for almost 20 years. He mentioned 
> > to me back in 1995 that I should send you some of my hand duplicated 
> > numbered sketches. I am just now getting around to that.
> >
> > Jim's 105 Finest Deep-Sky objects was my first observing manual many years 
> > ago. I have at least 600 3x5 cards with both notes and sketches of each 
> > object in this book.
> >
> > I would be honored if you would accept this original Virgo Diamond sketch 
> > and a few others as a gift from me? I am also doing the number 2 
> > duplication for Jim Mullaney.
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> > I will ship this sketch and a couple others this afternoon.
> >
> > Best regards, Roger Ivester
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